Sheeple journal 170126 SLAVES TO THE FAKE,,,, MEDIA ?

.... throughout time the people have been enslaved....,

most sheeple now have not noticed they are ...

slaves to (FAKE) media ...

 from the first king or emperor,  self proclaimed "gods" royalty or religious rulers .. demanded sacrifices, taxes (for the land they stole) pushed the mass to defend or claim land in "the name of the king.queen"  or later the "flag" that politicians invented .. nations are another illusion,  (like the unsinkable titanic!)


then came industry; with factory & office slaves , eventually paid, but not too much, so that "inflation" always kept the worker chained to the job, invented credit , to chain the sheeple to the property, which was always at risk of possession, by bank or state,  shoudl you fail..or fall..

more and more "law & order" often in contradiction ..because "society & social media" direct or indirect states that YOU ARE GUILTY  until you prove your innocence, and police are used to protect state & property, and the few, not you..

GO TO WAR ... against the "others"  says the manipulated press, radio, then tv and .." experts" and then sponsors introduce "popular" poison of GREED or FEAR............

currently Islam or Russians are "targeted" by western media...      who next,  ?  Chinese & Buddhists> ??  you??   why all the military budget ? why Na to ,  when you should say "NO Ta" ..to more spent on (NEW) weapons to kill your fellow human beings, ?  

those resources could be spread ...

to halt the TWENTY-FIVE thousand CHILDREN who die daily because global resources are commercialized,,  does your GOD bless capitalism   >>??? 

if you SUSPENDED the  production of NEW  weapons for ONE year only, you could clean the water, the land, grow healthy food, globally and give all children the chance to be creative,

not to waste their time with "fast food" technology,,using "smarter phones"  that make them into members of "idiocracy"

WHY DOESNT this happen>>??  because the "few" want you to fight each other,  to war, to poison, maim or kill , because otherwise you might take the power away from them...  and create "the dream" yourself.. 

Personal

my 3 plus 1  focal points this week

1. sound the media Trump-ets,,  (devolution)

The hypocrisy is amazing , and ironic that demos go on in the USA..... NOT to stop war,  prejudice, or pollution , but because of an election system that has  produced  line of crooks, fools & puppets since more than 50 years who front the war machine  of the US of A that most of the world s  populations copy..  selling YOU everything that you dont need, but are told to want,  and you sell your souls, as you stop caring about other beings.... 
 

AND no FAKE democrats either please!

of course, the media was EASILY manipulated by Trump.... BUT,,, they gave him "extra air time"  then turn on him, but Hilary is as big a fraud...  a campaign between 2 right wing dictators in a so - called democracy that requires candidates to be funded by billions of  dollar sponsorship ( and then who controls them?? )

2. Brexit /.....?

Similar BS,, 2 tories convinced a third of the UK population to leave the European Union... "David" and Boris, a madman as "nutty" as trump, with fascist opportunist farTage lying through his teeth , so in effect THREE right wingers... "campaigned" ...
a sick joke..

the sheeple never debated the consequences, and now, no surprise, there will be a " delay" & , I predict , a virtual "no change" to the situation..  apart from the devaluation of the "GREAT BRITISH POUND" ..which has devalued 25 per cent... what irony as the little englanders are so "PROUD to be flying the flag"   and stopping immigration..  forgetting of course , like the USofA , that so many of them come from mixed ancestors of other cultures... there are no "pure" Americans, English or Euopeans...!

When these nations colonized, UK/europeans benefited from stolen resources & slavery , and the US from such & "Biz"...  and their global domination..

3 It used to be OUR club..

  The USA infested Liverpool Football club, and the UK media and "fans" now turn against the man they worshipped a few weeks ago..

Lfc 0-1 Soton (agg 0-2)
https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/jamie-carragher-shane-long-southampton-liverpool-2/109586   and then Carra hammers Studge,,(perhaps with reason_)... .. https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/jamie-carraghers-unrelenting-analysis-daniel-sturridge-something-else/109597  /////
its difficult to think of one player "in form" at this time, and fans and media "experts" dont appreciate ,, when Lfc have a TEAM, working at its best it can be almost impossible to beat, and can be champions, the league form of the team is "champion level" 

however,,, the players rely in each other ... so when one or rwo fail it can be covered up if 9 are preforming at their best, BUT if SEVERAL go "off the boil" at the same time, it can seem like they are not , any of them, good enough,,,,

    but Klopp hmself is making mistakes,  and  thereffore  whole team is off the boil..  and now  is the time Juergen , Buvac and the players have to prove their worth ..

I am therefore critical also of pundits and fans who went overboard with the hype during the times when everyone was congratulating Klopp and Lfc "power"  .. but the english and especially the media are special at building up personalities and then rip them apart..  and its got worse in recent times. (CS).
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a mammoth 10 points??? with half the season to go...with that attitude all the rest of the premiere league teams should just pack it in and wait till next season?  ridiculous ...

you spread this rubbish through media and fans. and Anfield is as quiet as a graveyard .. but Klopp was your hero a few weeks ago. how quickly he is stabbed in the back by fans and media ...

I was never a kloppite but he deserves support ,,, as  does the team.. chelsea struggled to win against hull,  sure they got 3 points , but they aren't unbeatable.. get the  Lfc team back to full strength or near it,  and the gap could be down to 7 points next week , then chelsea play arsenal.. just maybe they draw..

football can change so quickly, and then what will you write???  you are fake.!      http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/defiant-klopp-says-liverpool-wont-12495495

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-fc-talking-point-go-12490233

Andy Kelly the grim reaper!  its easy for echo to write a negative article at this time, they lack original thought, IMO they are no different than fans who sit and "watch" and don't support unless the team are either winning or marauding ina  come back,,the Anfield crowd couldn't be heard until Firmino scored the first goal. all the gloom spread just reflect a poor attitude at Lfc .
aiming for 4th has been the agenda since10 years , because that the "money game"  i watched chelsea struggle to overcome hull, none of the rivals are that special, and sure they got the points this weekend , but you are writing off the team with about half a season left?? amazing negativity...

 I looked at the team and bench , for yesterdays game,  & it looked strong enough, to take  3 points.. but, some players are out of form, some looked like they werent ready to come back from injury.. this will be a test of Klopps ability, to sort out, (new players wont fit in mid-season),,,

what really annoys is that (apart from Mane) you were all raving and spreading the hype about Klopp and this squad just weeks ago,,, you have given up,  but some of US know how to support LIVERPOOL football team...

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Ply 0- Lfc 1 Lucas 
( snip )  it was like watching a barca-arsenal conbo on  a bad day,, possession with no end result..

... if Lfc go all the way in this cup .. will need much better efforts from all, youth, fringe and senior first teamers.. Plymouth fans singing "Premiere league?  your having a laugh " were sadly correct.. 0-1 and through thanks to LUCAS* "  :)    (* note all those who want him gone!)

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/watch-jurgen-klopps-plymouth-vs-9640412

FA, UEFA  FSCG and FIFA  ...=  Fake Authorities

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/jurgen-klopp-calls-bulls-claim-9631577

http://chrismithlog.blogspot.com/2017/01/rednet-bootroom-update-dying-swans-fake.html

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(item 4 was "censored") so... item 5... Solutions>??

the Rebellion..  grass ROUTES evolution is already happening...  reacting against the FA, UEFA, FIFA , small clubs are growing ,  non league teams,  playing for fun, not money, giving them nothing.. football , the global socialist game... is everywhere,, and people realise they dont need to pay for inflated ticket prices, or the replica shirt of a "celebrity" player who wont ever sign an autograph or shake little johnny's hand.. 

Football , was the game of the ordinary, the working class hero,  the poor kids.. can enjoy the spirit of community that modern commercializm and media hates,

every time a boy or girl plays, he or she feels that fun, the bonding of community that can be enjoyed, and should be into middle age, and supported by the senior generation,  the breakdown of technology and a rejection of FAKE (virtual) video games...

is a social phenomenon...

and you are able to BE part of this 
 facebook.com/groups/aefan.eurofootyliga
 ... so wake up and.. join , evolve and enjoy...

and...PROTEST
_http://rednet-alien.blogspot.com/2016/07/join-your-protest-for-kids-sake-join.html

Petition: https://www.change.org/p/aefan-stop-corruption-bias-alternative-football-evolution
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UnSuB Sheeple news too...introducing ,,,,"fakebook" 170115

UnSuB Sheeple news too.(2)

..introducing ,,,,"fakebook"  170115
 

 it just had to be,,, when this mad world has reached such a stage,
that you cant trust the (mainscream) media and just about all government ministers & officials "spin" (lie!)

as the award-winning reporter John Pilger stated recently "There are no proper reporters in the mainstream now",
 they just echo rumour and sponsored propaganda...

support : #noneoftheabove  & so,

if you dare, add fake news, comments about bigots, politicians, business leaders,
religious conmen, and make sure its ironic... at
  : facebook.com/Aka-fakebook-

for the sheeple,,,a first question for you:  can you recognise who is in this picture
and... which one was hunted as "an enemy of the states" ??

and for dDump fans... which one is Donald?

or is he....@
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8R9izfgKZw

more "DD fan news" at http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/donald-trumps-watersportsgate-predicted-liverpool-12436251

also follow
intense mass-debating at
https://www.facebook.com/groups/resistancekot
 

and cant help wondering ,,,
that the austrians if they re-made " THE SOUND OF MUSIC " today..   they would call it "the (annoying) sound of muslims" >? ...  ( or "how you too can hate people whose face is darker than yours">?)

Christopher;  for the "missing"...
comment ... i love you!

for all those killed or disappeared by any regime anywhere , in the struggle for justice...

now, attention,,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_(film)

1982 , THIRTY FIVE YEARS ago..
Missing is a 1982 American historical drama film directed by Costa-Gavras and starring Jack Lemmon, Sissy Spacek, Melanie Mayron, John Shea, Janice Rule and Charles Cioffi. It is based on the true story of American journalist Charles Horman, who disappeared in the bloody aftermath of the US-backed Chilean coup

covered up by the USA government , and now look ,,,the USA is a bigger dictatorship and corrupt war mongering , out of control giant baby with a machine gun! worse than ant "3rd world" .. the USA routinely "disappear" any opponent, real or imagined.
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code 46 

the film code 46                       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_46

this is where your "system"  is taking you..
whereby u must have credit & insurance to move on the planet that is yours to enjoy
a ....dividing the "haves" from the "have nots/undesirable",,,,.
and
b...  that if you show too much empathy or restance, memory will be wiped, and u will be "disinfected"
your "govt"  will make you "happy" ,,like a cow chewing the grass in the field...
heaven into hell,  THIER "american dream" is now OUR global nightmare....

we NEED an empathy virus...

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some time ago, when I was young, I went to the Doc,

& said , "Doc,  I want to live until I am 100 ! "

doc Said,  "tell me about your lifestyle?"

I said  " am fit,  solo, I dont drink , smoke or mess around with women! "

Doc replied ... " So......why do you want to live to be a hundred???????"
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when I read so many of what i call knee jerkers "fast food" comments , i find it typical and...
 sad..  that so many in the so-called resistance swallow media propaganda and the BS of political,#
 religious & business leaders who thrive when you hate each other  and are easily divided..
 the "others" are not the problem, the sheeple swallow the BS and the culprits are found at the top
 of the pyramid you all helped them make... stop feeding the monster that will kill you..
not AT them and learn about the world dont trust media and make your own opinions.., u may find truth.
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https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-age-still-last-taboo-workplace-lesley-jane-seymour
business and media have sold "young "   films, products , employment,  
human rights issues have rightly highlighted prejudice on creed, colour, nationality, religion, gender,  who fights for those discriminated by age? when its ingrained into the thinking of the public!  much of the mess of the world , as we see from the rise of fascism . is because people don't learn, as they discard the experiences of the past.. and IMO mature people should be involved in training ,  not kids having kids, and kids teaching kids...
 and its also the responsibility of the mature to take part and not be "elbowed" out of the way!

Chris wrote :"the whole world of media is full of fake,
if however, you make contacts with real people all over the world and use the internet positively,
 & talk with people about issues. not AT them and learn about the world dont trust media and make your own opinions..,
 you may find truth..."
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wake up!
UNITED NATIONS

UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS
Simplified Version

This simplified version of the 30 Articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights has been created especially for young people.
CS> its TRAGIC that its the LAST thing applied by officials of the state your in, and not the FIRST things taught you your children, BY YOU!
and although all "democratic" state leaders Worldwide signed to apply this, NOT one state keeps the promise...
HAVING "rights" is one thing GETTING your rights is unlikely unless you STAND UP for yourself against the abuses & violatiosn that affect EVERY person, EVERY day!

1. We Are All Born Free & Equal. We are all born free. We all have our own thoughts and ideas. We should all be treated in the same way.
CS> Well, if you dont have a political lobby, media connections or are rich, you WONT get these rights promised to you...

2. Don’t Discriminate. These rights belong to everybody, whatever our differences.
CS> Every policeman discriminates, due to the social pressures and dictators that the business, religious or political powers enforce!
you simplyDONT get the rights, and if officials or civilians discriminate, for example, treat you with disrespect, because you are poor,
its unlikely that anyone will care, its now almost impossible to live in their world, without a credit cars or mobile phone, let alone
if you happen to support the "wrong" poltics, religion or be in an "alienated" minority..

3. The Right to Life. We all have the right to life, and to live in freedom and safety.
CS> The state and/or private agencies control your movement and interfere with your communications, and will detain you on "suspect" grounds
without impartial cause or process, you are segregated by borders & fences and the rich and powerful demand payments for you to "live" so,
WHERE is the "freedom" ????? and with them now employing robot drones that may kill you or someone in your neighbourhood, who is "profiled"
WHERE is the "safety"???

4. No Slavery. Nobody has any right to make us a slave. We cannot make anyone our slave.
CS> You are all salves to the system, because if you try to escape from it, or drop out, you are made to feel "wrong" and your children are
taught to feed the system, so you all "learn to be slaves" !!!

5. No Torture. Nobody has any right to hurt us or to torture us.
CS> Yet state "security" agents USE torture on "suspects" and openly admit it. YOU will do nothing against that !!! (until they do it to YOU!)

6. You Have Rights No Matter Where You Go. I am a person just like you!
CS> You have no rights, if you are considered, without trial or process to be "subversive" or criminal, anywhere.

7. We’re All Equal Before the Law. The law is the same for everyone. It must treat us all fairly.
CS> The lawyers, politicians and their policemen are biased, you are treated as guilty until proven innocent. NO ONE gets " a fair and impartial treatment".
8. Your Human Rights Are Protected by Law. We can all ask for the law to help us when we are not treated fairly.
CS> So who do YOU ask, when its the "law" who violate, y-our rights???

9. No Unfair Detainment. Nobody has the right to put us in prison without good reason and keep us there, or to send us away from our country.
CS> Yet your state or the state who occupy the land you travel, can and do it every day to thousands, and find excuses to detain you, as they wish.

10. The Right to Trial. If we are put on trial this should be in public. The people who try us should not let anyone tell them what to do.
CS> The system is biased in favour of the prosecution, so what if it is "public" the state can and does present the "facts" it selects.

11. We’re Always Innocent Till Proven Guilty. Nobody should be blamed for doing something until it is proven. When people say we did a bad thing we have the right to show it is not true.
CS> YOU May believ you are innocent, but once you are arrested the "system" deals with you as "guilty" denies you contact with your people, restricts movement and correspondence,
(thus making you "stressed" before they "process you") if you canot afford "bail" or the accusation is serious, they may keep you in severe conditons without visitors or outside contact.

12. The Right to Privacy. Nobody should try to harm our good name. Nobody has the right to come into our home, open our letters, or bother us or our family without a good reason.
CS> Sounds Good, BUT..in reality, prosecutors can and do bend the truth to suit their accusations against you, and will convince lazy & (many) inept judges to invade your privacy
nowdays "in the name of security" you have NO PRIVACY!!!

13. Freedom to Move. We all have the right to go where we want in our own country and to travel as we wish.
CS> BUT you have to pass through borders, and frontiers, have to have "correct papers" and state officials can and do decide to refuse you passage, without explaining why.
(see "discrimination" you forget that this world once belonged to all its inhabitants, not, as now, conntrolled by the few!

14. The Right to Seek a Safe Place to Live. If we are frightened of being badly treated in our own country, we all have the right to run away to another country to be safe.
CS> Where in the world is safe when the super powers can use satellites and drones to find & kill you?

15. Right to a Nationality. We all have the right to belong to a country.
CS> Which nationality respects these 15 articles? None , so why would you want to belong to any of them??

?

THE REALITY OF THE PERVERTED "UN DECLARATION" ( and its ECHR equivalent!) has been diluted by fear and greed, by the "powers that be"
( the irony that these articles were sent into the Universe to show or "trick" "Intelligent Aliens" that
this planet is "civiized" , well...this "civiliyation" is destroying itself, so my Alien friends, stay
away, because the so called "Human Race" will pollute your atmosphere too..) THE people who shoudl be
serving these aims are the ones who in fact escalate negativity and form a global DIS CRIMI NATION ..

that I dont belong to...in fact most of the "terrorists" are in suits, ties and uniforms...or employed by them!
IF you act "different" they dont protect you,, they PROFILE, discriminate, violate, alienate, and eventually persecute you,
in the way (aparently) they did 2000 years ago to "JC" or to anyone who dares tell the truth.. Ghandi, Mandela
Che, or whoever, and me :)

are you part of the problem??? , or part of the solution... ?
because when you sink like the titanic..with them..
who is going to offer YOU a "life-boat?"
150114
ChriS SMITH!

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 some personal exchanges between our "creator"  and Natalie...

"
Natalie, I met you as one of a couple with Sergey,
and you dont know me, nor i know you.
i have an unusual life, compared to most people.
my lifestyle and changes meant that no one gets close..
I am solo, and i look for the positives in that
although my familiy has gone I get some compensation in support of youth.
I do not make "romantics" when I get single female visitors, i respect them.
and simply enjoy the company,. although I dont host now..(CSing has changed too)

Locals live within a closed family network, most girls are very young and superficial.
mature women either are occupied with business or stay at home to protect reputation.

I asked for your help , not to find a GF, although its true that I havent been on any sort of
"date" since several months...

Sure, the idea (funnily after watching "message in abottle " film" ) of letting someone in again,
can seem appealing, although it would be difficult to find any one who could equal Jacqui,

Although brief, I enjoyed meeting you both... and I just wanted to clarify, (maybe for myself) :)

Hiy again,

when anyone I know asks me this question ("how are you") i have to usually restrict my answer,,
i dont do "small talk"  so I wont say " I am fine"...but I am good...
if you really want to know my "status" I recently wrote this,,,
 and it will test your knowledge of my language/culture
and the nuance (meanings within)

https://antichrismith.blogspot.com/2017/01/missionary-position-shrek-bozic-not.html

... if this is too time consuming then dont worry, be happy..
i am doing what life meant me to be doing.. challenging...

this log may seem negative , it isnt, its a very positive situation..
in the short time here, I exposed what is wrong and what must be improved,,,

however, the sheeple hate change..
I am waiting for the international court to pay out on  a 10 mllion euro claim,
( confidential anonymous v EU officials etc)
however, attornies involved are scared to execute the order.
I dont need the money, but I could do so much more for the youth, here and elsewhere...

perhaps I need to come to a russian region to find a legal exec, of this claim
(or as your embassy didnt reply, someone should come to me)  anyway...
i have many positive things to do, I am always happy to read about you ...& Sergey
what & where are you now?
?

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as the award-winning reporter John Pilger stated recently
"There are no proper reporters in the mainstream now",
 they just echo rumour and sponsored propaganda...
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the whole world of media is full of fake, if however, you make contacts with real people
all over the world and use the internet positively, & talk with people about issues. "

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REdnet

thats the benefit of being business only selling club..
H enry & co will only invest to make profit,
*thats the reason we have a new main stand, no other!)
if we had Luis Suarez in THIS team now, Lfc would be clear favourites for the league ..
and thats the point being played down by this article and most of the "tow the line "
 commentary! they brought Klopp in to avoid spending..
he will do well, thats for sure, but we could be doing a lot better...
should not just buy for the sake of it, or for "squaddies"
but IF a world class player becomes available i wonder if Klop p will want him?,,,
my feeling is that JK is not that sort of manager,
 some managers don't want big names, some like BR cant handle big names,,,
we should be going for the title, too many fans have been "educated" to accept "top 4"
as good enough.. we (used to be, not) are LIVERPOOL!
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-recorded-highest-net-profit-12447100

 

LUCAS adopted scouser.
Published by Chris >· ...
and unsung hero, came back from 2 serious injuries,
 reliable CB replacement and best defensive holding player at Lfc since 2007!
... loyal and with a big heart, family grew up in Lp.. the only survivor of the culling of "Rafas Reds"

If wijn. has the heart and workrate of Dirk , he could become a big player fr Lfc ,
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/…/manchester-united-v-liverp…
unfortunately he wont have Luis to lay on a hat-trick of chances for him sunday..
but the whole team owe us a big performance !
last time at Anfield Maureens team stifled the game, will be as cagey at OT?

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161204 Sheeple news: "The Russians are COMING" (this IS "fake " news sheeple!! :p )

Sheeple news

"The Russians are Coming" (again) 
....  lucky Russians? :)

H-T> why are the USA media fixated on Russians?? do you realise that most modern russians are more capitalist than the average american citizen?

 or are you still in post 
 macarthy (verson 2.0 ) paranoia>> ?? 

do the govt need the russians to jusify anoher x trillion dollars on new weapons?

 isnt Islam enough of an "enemy" ? the sheeple keep falling into the trap ...  "go to war against that lot, before they kill, us" ,,then guess what happens?

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ED>
More questions about what's to come
In the age of Trump, what is a Christian?
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/in-the-age-of-trump-what-is-a-christian/2016/11/18/11fab326-adb6-11e6-8b45-f8e493f06fcd_story.html
ED>  It’s a haunting question, especially when tied to race.
www.washingtonpost.com
Comments


Chris>  at any time, how many "christians" are "christ-like" ?

Rich Owen: >  Cherry Pickers of the Buy Bull.

Dell Wester >  I actually prefer to call my beliefs christ-like instead of christain and do not follow interpretations.
 I also do not condemn, but I do condom. Trump is the farthest representation of christ-like
I have ever seen with convicted criminals being the only exception that comes to mind.

Chris> considering "Jesus" was apparently a "convicted criminal" you might want to re-consider that?

Edward Gurley>What's very disturbing is that Trump could not have won without the "Christian" vote.
He played heavily on the people's faiths and used it to effect in his political rallies.
People basically ignored or justified his deplorable actions by believing he would "do the righteous thing."
Dell Wester> They see a means to an end I guess. If he wins 8 just imagine a whole near decade of Trump youth. Real greaseball shit.

Edward Gurley> One thing is for sure, he will be scrutinized and watched every step of the way.
 He will overstep his reach and be forced to resign. Nixon comes to mind.

Harvey Tuttle > is already known , they voted for him, so why would the sheeple understand if he fools them, again?? apathy rules the world! !

Rich Owen> Once brainwashed makes it easier the second time.

Edward Gurley>  By and large, people are easily controlled...threaten their babies...threaten their religion...
hell, just threaten their jobs and then say "only I can fix it", and SHAZAM!
You've just won the Presidency. ...

Harvey Tuttle >  why are the USA media fixated on Russians?? do you reallise that most modern russians are more capitalist than the average american citizen?
or are u still in post macarthy paranoia>> ?? do the govt need he rusians to jusify another x trillion dollars on planetary domination?

Edward Gurley
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/08/dnc-hack-russia-election/493685
What the DNC Hack Could Mean for Democracy
theatlantic.com|By Uri Friedman

Edward Gurley> To have ANY foreign power have direct influence on our Presidential election is a huge problem.
This has NOTHING to do with the capitalism versus communism.

Harvey Tuttle>  well it does Ed, because a) your system is already fecked from inside by selfish interests,
 and all your various security agencies and media spreading paranoia dont help that , .
.. b) your worst enemies are your own sheeple! who are easily manipulated by media who publish every runour or guesswork thei sponsors provide,
,,, every oppressor has throughout history managed to con the people into war or invasion of some "other country, religion, group, etc etc"
and u all swallow the BS! how many russians do you know>>?
or will i be put on the black list again for even mentioning that i have met some ... :)

 
, btw 
you dont have a "democracy" if to be elected you have to have billion dollar sponsorship.
 
.and there is no impartial evidence to say they hacked it anyway...

Edward Gurley>  You're preaching to the converted. You really haven't seen any of my other posts have you?
This is just one aspect.

Our democracy is worth saving from ANY threat. Foreign and DOMESTIC. And that is my goal.
 Sometimes we have to tear something down to rebuild it. Sometimes we add to it.

Media is definitely biased. They use shiny trinkets to distract us.
So my way of working through to what is going on is to have conversations that get beyond the headlines
. Pointing out the obvious is a distraction of its own.

I agree with everything you've pointed out. Now how do get beyond it? What solutions are there?

I don't view most of my friends and neighbors as enemies...
that is buying in to the propaganda you speak of and it's a cop out.
 It's too easy and avoids the difficulties of addressing the problems a
nd dealing with them by self eduction and having debates that solve problems. Actions.

These problems do go to the root of what is really happening in our government and a lot of it boils down to misinformation and distraction no doubt.
 How do you propose to solve it?

You make a lot of accusations about me and my people without knowing us or me for that matter.
Who I know is none of your business although it would surprise you greatly if I told you.
But I don't share personal info to people I just met on FB. Especially to someone that seems very angry and accusatory.

Now to elucidate on my previous point of "this is not capitalism versus communism" comment.
 Putin is former KGB who came into power by using their tactics of manipulation, bribery, extortion, or worse.
He is a dictator with ties to more shadowy figures in government.
 He is most certainly a dictator despite their puppet of a government which is how he has been able to remain in power for so long.

Trump admires him. Wants to be like him. Some would argue, model our government after him,
 which means using the same tactics and stripping away our freedom of speech, privacy, and protection from political persecution.
These things are already happening here but to a much lesser extent, I believe.

With new channels opening to Russia, the view from where I sit is that Trump will buddy up to Putin for business advice,
but more importantly advice on how to gain more power and keep it by any means necessary...
even if that means greater restrictions of our freedoms in the guise of "national security."

And yes, I am aware of the Patriot Act. And yes, I am aware of the other methods of looking at citizens without their knowledge.
 And yes, I am aware of media blackouts and how they are corporately owned so therefore cater to them.
 But not ALL of the media is controlled. And not ALL politicians are crooked. And there are agencies out there that are working to protect us.

Do not castigate and make blanket statements because it makes YOU look paranoid. Me and mine are doing our best to tackle these problems. One step at a time.
 So this is not about the outdated argument of capitalism versus communism,
 but there are ties to their regime way of dealing with dissenters.
 And Trump is defending those methods. Nor is he taking the steps to educate himself.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-still-has-no-use-us-intelligence-agencies

Harvey Tuttle> does anyone expect Trump to "educate" himself... ?
its the sheeple who need to educate themselves and stop passing power to the few,,
 the "arguement" is not between "communism" which has never existed on this planet in any major nation
(the soviet system was a dictatorship,,,btw!) and the USA "disappears" or "discredits"
(or simply blocks "dissenters"*as do so many "western democracies,,
Uk, Germnay and french governments are as bad if not worse that the "eastern block" because they "pretend" to do the oppsite,,,
 come on man! Putin is "known" to be ex-KGB, but instead in the USA (the sponsors of war are hodden
( its all such hypocrisy...! every time you point a finger 3 points back at ya! sunshine :)
Edward Gurley>  Semantics. Again, We argue from the same side of the fence. This is getting redundant.

Of course others should educate themselves but here in lies the problem-many do not want to,
 do not care to, and go as far as condemning education and research because of the propaganda they've been spoon fed.
 That's where we come in. Fight fire with fire...but still try to educate and inform.

Throwing around accusations puts most people in defensive mode.
I prefer to find common ground...even with the swallow end of the gene pool (racists, misogynists, etc)
 because many are my own family and friends. Not to mention many do not believe they are bigots et al. Different points of view call for different tactics.

I grew up with many of the Trump supporters as well as far right, conservatives, and variations of the ilk. Shared many good and bad memories.
 Shit I used to think like them because I was one.

It took several years for me to work my way to the truth; about 30. It took that long for many reasons,
but what was probably the one defining point was the people who helped change my perspective never condemned,
never judged, never degraded, never called me names or made accusations. I can't say I was the same back then.

I come from humble beginnings and from a blue collar family. Education was never a priority;
hard work and integrity are ingrained in my DNA. That's part of the reason I excelled when I decided to pursue an education.
 My perspective is pretty unique because I identify with the so called alt right, Conservatives, Democrats, liberals, hippies, etc.

They are more alike than most would like to admit. SNL is on. Gotta bolt. ??

Harvey Tuttle> ?  you have a bolt? like frankenstein>>
..firstly, I appreciate very much anyone who takes time to state their "position" in this world of "fast food comment via sms"
 the "system" is very happy not to allow sheeple time to think about the sh&te going on around them...
keep em busy with Tv and video games, BS media and "big brother" (!!!) anything to stop them questioning ...
.............Ed, (short also for editor) the first "judgement" in reaction to your "CV" is .
.AVOID labels.. this "altright" ...? is again forming a them and us anongst the people..
. the "people" are the problem, but the fight is to stop the "few" killing you, softly...

H>  its ok to "judge" BTW, the problem is the "quality" of judgement, you have to make decisions every day, which require "judgements"
.. its the indecisive (which 99% of the sheeple are) which gives power to the "few"

as for tactics,, thats just politics, and what helped the decline of humanity? "politics" (and in its subtle form "diplomacy" )..
 just various forms of covering the truth to get advantage,,, thats not unique,and neither are you..
how about HONESTY???? ..I will if you will ha ha

 "education" is mostly via media, kids dont care, because parents, community, and "heroes" dont exist , lack empathy , lack guidance,
 the "system" (matrix?) just teaches them to feed it, and thats whllst it kills them, slowly and softly sometimes,
with exams, polution, whilst the business sponsors poison the land, air, water ....and their minds, with junk media...
schools ARE REDUNDANT, and I am not in anyones "group" or on any side of your "fence" !
oh in response

Dell Wester>  A friend of mine ex military pointed out that the new camo garb for both russian and military forces (a kind of khaki dirt color) was change fairly recently and both armies have pretty much the exact uniform minus patches, insignias etc.
coincidence?
They are selling batman+superman
Good old USSR teams up with USA?
Get your popcorn, while they create targets.

Edward Gurley>Those targets may be you and I.

Harvey>  not "maybe"

H>  the "macarthy part 2 anti russian witch-c&nt" is so ridiculous as Russia (USSR doesnt exist!) and USA are both right of centre,
 miltary-business driven materialistic regimes"
... the "joke" is when sheeple repeatedly place incompetents and conmen in power with the potential to destroy the planet ...
so Ed, you need a sense of humour to avoid insanity,,, "crazy" is ok, though,...:)

Harvey Tuttle>  he mos ineresin hin is ha my ex is ein disored y USA aens ,
Ed and a reply from Chris was wiped completely "wiped" y aens of your USofA !! ???? .. tx for the "CV" though! ...

Harvey Tuttle>  oh , its working again...(facebook text) Ed, in response to earlier comments
..SURE I am "paranoid" ..."but that doesnt mean they arent out to get me " :) ha aha ha
..... also Trump for me is the image of USA today, say what u like, do what u want, stamp on anyone who gets in your way, or has an opinion you dont like,
..... thats the USA for many people abroad.... its clear he said ANYTHING to get publicity, he contradicted himself so many times that its beyond a joke... so being "buddies" with Putin (ask Putin in private what he thinks about Trump...ha ha) .. means nothing AFTER an election where NObody (except sanders occasionally) was honest....
  

 SO, you want to defend "democratic USA" ...built on genocide of the natives? ... built on taking land by force? bullt on stamping on the little guy> ?? built on voter intimidation? segregation ? apartheid? discrimination? polce v people?, military and capitalist domination of the planet? built on financing right wing dictators (v the "commies) ... bombing civilians? built on hiroshma & nagasaki? built on employing nazis .. built on a widening gap between "haves " and "have-nots" ?? where u have to "sponsored" by billions to be elected? where your senetors apply laws that hurt the people that voted for them and con the public on a daily basis? thats what you are defending... and to think some people say that i am "tilting at windmills"
.. educate yourself first! because theres nothing "alternative" about that!

Edward Gurley> To have ANY foreign power have direct influence on our Presidential election is a huge problem.
 This has NOTHING to do with the capitalism versus communism.

 Harvey >  well it does Ed, 
because

a) your system is already fecked from inside by selfish interests,
 and all your various security agencies and media spreading paranoia dont help that ,
 
... b) your worst enemies are your own sheeple! who are easily manipulated by media who publish every runour or guesswork thei sponsors provide,

 ,,, every oppressor has throughout history managed to con the people into war or invasion of some "other counry, religion, group, etc etc"
 and u all swallow the BS! how many russians do you know>>? or will i be put on the black list again for even mentioning that i have met some ...

yes, another reason to be angry? Eh ChriS? 

:) ,,btw you dont have a "democracy" if to be elected you have to have billion dollar sponsorrship.
.and there is no impartial evidence to say they hacked it anyway...

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2016 = when "fact" become HUGELY more ridiculous than fiction, my movie channel (in MOnty) tonight showed..this film (made in 1984?) https://en.wikipedia.org/wi…/Brewster's_Millions_(1985_film)

the irony..... "Monty" Brewster " decides to run for Mayor of New York City and throws most of his money at a protest campaign urging a vote for "None of the Above." !!!

even more ridiculous ... the millions of cinema and Tv.dvd viewers saw this , yet...
since 20 years who continue to vote for legalised "conmen" & sponsored fools.. from Reagan, through Bush x 2 Clinton, & Obama..
in Uk, Thatcher, Major,, B Liar and "call me David"

Metre-Rand, Jack shelack, Nick sarcastic, Dutch Francois, Helmet Cole, Angela Murky, and so on ... :)

despite being lied to since birth, still stupidly thinking that each politician , whose main "raison d'etre" is ego... will "solve problems" DONT YOU GET IT? if they solved problems , they couldnt convince the sheeple to need them to fix those problems that their predecessors invented... VOTE " NONE " ,, and dont add "thank you" :)

Brewster's Millions (1985 film) - Wikipedia

Brewster's Millions is a 1985 comedy film starring Richard Pryor and John Candy based on the 1902 novel of the same name by George Barr McCutcheon. It is the seventh film based on the story, with a screenplay by Herschel Weingrod and Timothy Harris.  

 

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dedicated to Jacqui,x 

whose birthday it is today, you left this world 11 years ago, but, you always stay in my heart!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_a_Lesser_God
one of tthe best films ever made : !