the current "HOLY trinity of ...discussion, opinion & solution?

The "Holy trinity" was a bond in Liverpool people associated by the legendary Manager Bill Shankly ("Shanks") who bonded the players, and the core ("socialist") supporters of the club with himself - this included all the staff (as he said, "even the tea lady" ) into one "REd army force" CRS .. well you could call him "the last jedi?" as far as the idealism associated with this is concerned...

my "virtual colleague"  having been "interviewed" several

times on this blog series (see "missionary position"  & C.R.S. etc ) does not need defending..  we shared a reaction to neandathal abuse by somone on social media.. there are 3 major items concerning the network.. 

/2018/05/lfc-lost-it-and-u-can-stick-theres.

some "monty" humour is required ; 
** Link to "monty- arguement sketch"

1. Discussion..

when the "enemy" rewards , or AWARDS a hero of ours ..what is our reaction? ...and IF the fast food mass" dont take time to debate properly should we withdraw and let the sheeple dominate the one-sided discussion?

Harvey Tuttle
via LFC - There's A Golden Sky within the last two weeks. to
 John Conway ... "  having read it, he (C.R.S) hardly "jumped all over it" - I have to own up, he is a "virtual colleague" of mine , with strong opinions having survived many situations & threats along the way, sure is "anti-establishment" & yet who has utmost respect from all who were involved in his campaigns since 1995 ,and even opponents who attempted to silence him, campaigned also J4t96 and without asking for any contribution to costs lin any of his activism, lodged no less than 54 complaints at the european court of human rights,, and now opposes big business violations of peoples right to equal chance (inc those behind L fc ) having connected no less than 53 supporter groups worldwide network (LbiRD) .. was on the original terraced Kop as one of Shanks boys.. has organised events & RED nose day actions , promoting Liverpool and supported the people all over europe... mothers family from Brechin.. in your own native land, John?

(CRS> to  Jill C, blame Mark not me, btw "never say never" ;) (and dont put words in my mouth, I DID NOT say that "no one else can have an opinion" ;) . forget it..bye bye!   ...if u think just because you say so, and some morons think they can insult me, for pointing out something true about our club, you are so wrong.. Mark asked for views , which in a FREE society (?) opens up debate,, on a thread open for debate, there are no rules that say I have to agree with you or to accept that John conway can use FOUL language against me for an honest opinion based on 50 years of support.. this sort of attempt to shut me up is a reflection of the problem, its "ok to have an opinion as look as its the same as mine" mentality.. btw john I can guess the sort of "debating" you are fond of? en mass? :) 

.. you (should) blame John , Jill , if he hadnt up his "2p worth: in I wouldn't have bothered, but he is "trolling" for trolls... ? adios..ok, enough..!  ) & you missed the point Mark, no i didnt do that, i applied an opposite opinion at all times, othe you missed the point Mark, no i didnt do that, i applied an opposite opinion at all times, others used foul language against me, but it seems that is ok with you, when moderators allow that then i feel justified in making my point heard.. anyway, now I understand this group...and where it stands..on the :right: ;) and this is not an arguement, its contradiction! .... JOHN C  used foul language against me, buit it seems that is ok with you, when moderators allow that then i feel justified in making my point heard.. anyway, now I understand this group...and where it stands..on the :right: ;) and this is not an arguement, its contradiction! ....** (see link above, to "monty" ;)  ... ) " 

John Conway>  As a fellow glasweign I'm proud of sir Kenny think al, Liverpool fans should get behind him he's accepted it so it's something he wants and is proud of let's give him support like he deserves in stead of looking for negative
.. it was not a debate we put our views across you wanted the debate like you did all over this post  ,  (stet)  take your hatred and argue with someone else I'm not giving you any more of my time  it's not about royalists it's about sir Kenny being acknowledged but hay ho you have your negative opinion (stet)
 fuck off you bellend and leave the woman alone you troll mug

CRS> John Conway well done , you and Roger for championing Jill C. ! and the profanity used by you John just proves you are resorting to neandathal , anyone who cant make a reasonable arguement, simply resorts to insult! if thats what this group is about you are welcome to it!

"Your Majesty,
I am returning my MBE as a protest against Britain's involvement in the Nigeria-Biafra thing, against our support of America in Vietnam and against 'Cold Turkey' slipping down the charts.
With love. John Lennon of Bag"..?

Kenny acknowledges by whom >  ? the establishment who caused the death of 96?  and you are entitled to be a sheeple! if you want..vote tory too !   some do not seem to know our Liverpool origins, some dont seem to care now , or forgot , our Liverpool history..thats more sad,, 

Jill C>   Christopher ,  I just think that your points are more for general elections and it seems a shame to try to make this political. I am incredibly proud of Kenny. I totally get it. You are entitled to your opinion as are we all. I don't think this is the right time personally. My opinion and I am entitled to it just like you. christ almighty get off your soapbox and just be proud for him. That's what general elections are for!

CRS>  Jill C,  you arent getting it , are you, I was already proud of him for what he did back then! , sorry if you cant stomach anyone having an alternative opinion? so you want to put me down by calling it a 'soapbox" MARK started this discussion, and asked for an opinion, ..and MY opinion is ... Kenny dont need it you cant get better than being OUR king (although some called Robbie "God" its hypocrisy, he deserved recognition back in 1989 and got it from US, not the fecking frauds who denied the claims of Liverpool people, some have short memories and thick skins..its a classic case .. the old woman in buck palace did Feck all for Liverpool , quite the opposite.. so lets walk away, ..well done Kenny!! ok now?
 Jill C.,  u want to keep this going ? ok, !! ? when is the :right time" ?? you would prefer when no else is reading any alternative opinion, ? sure, sorry that i diont fall into line, , you can blame Shanks & John for influencing my youth ..thats exactly the point, you call it "political" .. I call it my beliefs -, i dont care about elections .. Uk society goes from one mess to another..generation after generation, I am extremely proud of Kenny, how many times do i have to tell you,?? but for reasons that mean more to me and those who were involved around 30 years ago than the woman with the expensive hat sitting in London!.. what you have actually done on this thread is to prove how far away the current fan base in Uk is from our core Kopite culture ! thanks for that , (actually that hurts) ..ciao bella!
by the way you call ne ChRiS , not "christ"!;)

... so you believe the queen's awards represent the whole country? including  the under paid nurses, the wrongly deported, the homeless? the unemployed ? or  the corrupt government  must be laughing. as the tories probably also agree with you...

 ok, good luck UK inc. i love Kenny but i'd rather him NOT have this than get it 20 years after that manc bully... and what about Bob Paisley?  .. sorry but for me, its  .. "no thanks" and adios  , cheers modern Lfc fans .. ! great job!  but J4t96! he will always be King Kenny to me, but I am entitled to point out that as far as my generation is concerned he doesn't need the corrupt establishment to be our king..(IMO)


Opinion

OUR KING Kenny

i80610
ref Kenny knighthood (via Lfc theres  a goden sky/..)

CRS> 17.20h

 cant help but comment to some of the others on here, (John , Jon Steve, Jill etc ) so I am loading it on you Mark for starting this. (jon) said about the beatles , well if he is from Pool then should know that Lennon didn't just return his gong to be "cool" he did it due to the status of the nation involved in wars they should not be in, as is (the situ )now.. and the supporters who made the point about Paisley were really having a go at the system for "publicly rewarding" Fergie rather than the (on stats) more successful Bob, its very sad that IF i make these points direct , i get slagged off as a "troll" "bellend" etc etc when I have NOT insulted anyone, especially not Kenny who is IMO one of the few who really justify the term "Legend: ' i feel that you , having then lit the fire have failed to moderate it, although that may not be your responsibility .. its what i would do, in your place.. she is not my queen, I have rejected national politics as soon as I was old enough to travel...

 she is figurehead of the establishment, which has almost always been the enemy of Liverpool people, the city & football club, and its supporters..!!!!! and the basic cause of the 96.. ..ironic that modern Lfc fans have become royalist , when we used to sing at wembley finals :"GOD save our TEAM" ... there s no bigger accolade for Kenny than to be OUR "KING" and Marina his queen, not that posh woman with the expensive hat who does feck all for the people & whose land her ancestors stole.. 　 J4t96 = justice for all .. REBEL! ;)
p.s. i doubt if Kenny is as bothered as much as some on here!

Kenny acknowledges by whom >  ? the establishment who caused the death of 96?  and you are entitled to be a sheeple! if you want..vote tory too !   some dont seem to know our Liverpool origins, some dont seem to care now , or forgot , our Liverpool history..thats more sad,, 

Ref Kenny ; Sue C.  i ask you to kindly not  put words onto me that I havent used Sue, please...there is no "generalisation.. look at the basis of Shanks idealism,  look at the videos, our values WERE socialist that my point, and what is true now, that our core support, which came from "working class people" who squeezed onto the Kop along side me are priced out of the stadium, no lad that I grew up with could afford it, the 3 new kits for the kids EVERY summer (why?) paying  in advance for ticket sales.. the cost of "match day"   i dont care about politicians they are also nothing to me,  being REd (our Liverpool way) ..its a lifestyle , as Shanks would have pointed out to you... I love Kenny and he and Marina will always be legends on and especially of the pitch what they did  for Liverpool people, but wont betray my beliefs and those that our club was built on now betrayed by the shark-infested boardroom ... i have never asked  Kenny to be knighted ..because they (the royal family)  obtained their power at the expense of the people, their ancestors were thieves who stole the land through violent means and then demands tax.. 

but anyway 　   the point I am making..... , quite clearly is that Kenny is our king , Marina his queen and like Sir Riger too are all that I and true Reds need to care about .. if he is pleased about it, thats nice for him, the fact that they knighted fergie and not Bob just shows what a scam & biased establishment it it! YNWA/J4t96! 

 some dont seem know our Liverpool origins some do not seem to know , or forgot , our Liverpool history..thats more sad,

"Your Majesty,

I am returning my MBE as a protest against Britain's involvement in the Nigeria-Biafra thing, against our support of America in Vietnam and against 'Cold Turkey' slipping down the charts.

With love. John Lennon of Bag"..?



______________________________ Jill Clark>  u want to keep this going ? ok, !! ? when is the :right time" ?? you would prfeer when no else is reading any alternative opinion, ? sure, sorry that i diont fall into line, , you can blame Shanks & John for influencing my youth ..thats exactly the point, you call it "political" .. I call it my beliefs -, i dont care about elections .. Uk society goes from one mess to another..generation after generation, I am extremely proud of Kenny, how many times do i have to tell you,?? but for reasons that mean more to me and those who were involved around 30 years ago than the woman with the expensive hat sitting in London!.. what you have actually done on this thread is to prove how far away the current fan base in Uk is from our core Kopite culture ! thanks for that , (actually that hurts) ..ciao bella!

..... by the way you call ne ChRiS , not "christ"!;)

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Fekir OFF... we have often warned Lfc fans of "jumping the gun" so many Lfc fan groups were full of N. Fekir in Lfc shirts ...that probably didnt help negotiations which Lfc havent had the best of success during the USA corp occupation of our club..
had they realised that OM are a public company and loss of a club captain is a matter for public effect?  now the medical results are supposed to have killed the transfer.. Lfc arent very good at this.. fans posting him in Lfc shirt on social networks since weeks may not have helped, but IMO not healthy to show such a massive interest in one player, whatever the likes of barca do, need more discretion remember the fiasco last summer with VVD? and others in past years..! https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/nabil-fekir-transfer-liverpool-shrouded-14763471

Team

the Team that closed the season 17/18

Harvey>   i80611  (on shanks Red Army) 


more or less agree that TAA is arguably good enough, will be 20 , Stevie was 2 years younger when he got into the team, i am not saying Trent is as godd, doubt if anyone will ever come close to Gerrard, but another season after some world cup experience shoudl be enough, Clyne is his back up.. JK will make the point that when all fit there are now, (IF all fit ) a midfield option of Hendo, Wijnaldum, Lallana, Ox, Keita, Fab and arguably 2 "youth" (you cant just dismiss the chances to be given to say Ben & Marko (Grujic) .. thats 8 for 3 midfield positions,  I can see him bringing in another CB or Joe Gomez & Matip backing up VVD & Lovren , who ended the season well and who is approching the best age for a CB..  Robbie on the left is .. shudder...backed up by juegens love child moreNO, ..!  .. up front , to an extend the FAB 3 are an automatic selection , although JK brought Firmino into a deeper position in the last game of the season to accomodate Dom ..

and Studge is back from loan, out of the picture but IMO could have been an impact player considering his fitness problems and might even have done us a job in Kiev... 


its difficult to see any top forward coming into the squad that would not "disturb" the "fab effect" of Firm-Mane-MO 

... or who would be happy sitting on the bench for much of the season if they are all fit.. yes to challenge on 2 fronts will require a deeper squad of quality... 



 but please get a SAFE goalie!    (no defender, of any level, wants to play in front of an unreliable GK)... ! 

(28th may) "Peter, for me. its was up to Lfc boardroom to insist Phil stay until end of the season..no one player should dictate to Lfc .. when he hadrecently signed a contract.. tantrums & emails do not match up to the significance of a possible european trophy success.. Studge IS past his best, you are right..BUT .. he also could have been told toi shut up and put up with the bench.., even if it meant him getting 15-30 minutes in the latter league games and maybe away in Rome ... when lfc forwards were tiring, and IMO, he could have dont a job on Saturday after Mo was brutally taken out...   we have 11 seasons of ..

???????????

"there is always next season" i am sick of it.. vital decisions make the difference between also-rans & winners!... as for ranos, "karma" will get him one day..! because UEFA will do f-all!____"


______I dont like some of the policies of the barca boardroom but..I like...this  "

  the Barcelona president, has criticised the corporate and foreign ownership of major Premier League clubs, saying that while he is in charge his club, which is owned by its 180,000 members, will "never, ever be for sale".Nov 7, 2011

Barcelona will never be for sale, says club president Sandro Rosell ...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/nov/07/barcelona-not-for-sale

CLUB SHOULD BELONG TO TRUE RED SUPPORTERS AND THAT IS OUR PLAN!

Solution 

within the discussion Sue C. said that "we cant do anything about it"  (that big business controls the game..)  WE POINT OUT>>>  that although we do not like some of their policies Barca are owned by a similar number of members that make up our global network (a.k.a. "REdNET" / "REdS abroad" )
... summing up ...our 200,000 +  supporters worldwide commit to funding e20 each, and to aim at adding 25 million of the 30 million plus global fanbase to this ...

more details in the links below.. to sum up...

The use of "L'biRD" as a global currency would make it easier for all members to contribute this nominal sum.. 

creating true REdS GLOBAL SUPPORTER power!

to challenge the "shark-infested boardrooms "ownership"

improve conditions of supporters in the meantime

Strive for eventual acquisition of the club

Protect and empower all members local & global..
(media influence would make this network more important than many nations on this planet?) 
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Links ; 
https://youtu.be/xuXPz5_UdCo ( L'biRD #censoRED )

/2018/06/attention-true-reds-if-you-read-nothing

back up @ http://unsubtolosi-rednet.blogspot.com

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i80611
REdS ! ... would you give (one time only) 20e to the fund to share our club amongst supporters local & global?

https://youtu.be/xuXPz5_UdCo n net ,

but iF (likely) blocked hacked or distorted by HwJ or g s f .. go to ; http://chrismithlog.blogspot.com/2018/06/attention-true-reds-if-you-read-nothing.html ) ...or
back up @ http://unsubtolosi-rednet.blogspot.com

...they cant stop L'bIRD or you from flying
via REdNET L"bIRD = TRUE REd Global Supporter POWER #LbiRD #buyoutLfc
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